But One Of A Multitude.. Politics On Facebook

To preserve the privacy of those involved, I've decided to use only the first name of those involved in the debate.


This debate was sparked by one mans posting an image of Barack Obama with the slogan, "He is getting my vote in 2012."


The beginning of the debate has been edited out, as we at Sins-Diatribes found the contents meaningless, and quite frankly, childish.


All quotations are presented verbatim -- so please forgive us at Sins-Diatribes for any and all spelling and grammatical errors presented.

Matthew: "No I see both sides and make a sound decision. I know the what the the GOP did to our country. I will never ever want republicans in control again. They are liars who only care about the rich and corporations. They will distort and lie to accomplish their goals. Just look at Fox News. Enough said. I never ever want to be apart of that."

Stephen: "again, you are brainwashed by the liberal idiots, just keep blaming bush, thats all you and them know how to do, oblowma cant hide his bullshit anymore"

Matthew: "im not blaming anyone. He did it. Why should I forget and blame someone who is trying to fix someone else's mistakes. Your logic does not make anysense. All I hear from you is One and Done. Its stupid and shows how little you know. Your like a mouth piece for Fox News. Its sad that rural America buys into that nonsense."

Sin: "Matt, your claim that the GOP "... will distort and lie to accomplish their goals" , pertains just as much to Obama and the Democrats as it does to the G.O.P --- After all, Obama was elected on the premise that our troops would be brought home and the unnecessary war would be ended... Obama lied. 

Not only did he send more troops, but he, against the guidelines of the Constitution, started a bombing campaign of Libya -- a country who has been a puppet of Americas for the last 15 years."

As long as the American public continues to side with either party they will continue to be sheep. Americans need to realize neither party has the interest of the general public in mind when making decisions. Both cater to the rich and corporations. The two party system must end before America can make any progress in rectifying the wrongs that have led our country astray since as early as Wilsons presidency -- if not before.

For every GOP President you name that has mishandled and mismanaged this country during their Presidential reign, I can counter with a Democrat President who is guilty of the same charges.

Stephen: "Finally ,, someone that sees the truth,, I dont support either side, I want them ALL GONE!!! I,m not a Bush supporter, but I am not going to blame everything,, oblowma wastes 17 trillion, and its Bushs fault,, An earthquake happens and its Bushs fault ,, (911 happens,, katrina, the war, and its all Bushs fault,,, when does oblowma take any responsibility for anything ??? Nope he just blames everything on Bush,,, So the floods n tornadoes are bushs fault too,, RIGHT,, They must be because oblowma isint doing ANYTHING about it ,, especially in Texas,, where he KNOWS,, he wont get any votes,, oblowm is a typical liar ,,, scumbag,,, politican !!!!!! ONE N DONE !!!!!"

Sin: "Well, our foreign policy has been leading us into unnecessary wars since Polk sent us to war against Mexico in the Mexican-American war.

I do blame the Iraq-Afghanistan invasions on Bush -- but this does not take anything away from the fact that Obama lied about pulling our troops to get elected.

Both were complicit in the Bail Outs and stimulus that served no purpose, other than to make the rich richer and further burden the backbone of America -- the middle class.

But, as I said, this type of Presidential behavior has been going on for well over a hundred years, and it's unfortunate more Americans don't take the time out to make themselves aware of it." 

Stephen: "Bush had to do SOMETHING after 911, and getting saddam wasnt a bad thing, he needed to be dealt with and drawing the terrorists into Iraq to kill them on a battlefield we were already equiped to fight on made sence, we had to go after them. We couldnt just sit idle n take it, the message had to be sent, I think , given the ciecumstances , he did the right thing"

Sin: "I couldn't disagree more.

What many people fail to realize is that Saddam Hussein repressed Islamic Fundamentalists in Iraq. Saddam had absolutely no use for religion whatsoever, especially of the fundamentalist kind.

1/3rd of his cabinet was Coptic Christians, a religion that is now being targeted in a post-Saddam Iraq.

Terrorists did not support Saddam and would not come to his aid. The simple fact is they disliked him as much as they dislike America -- but for different reasons.

The problem is not, as Fox news reports, that Islamic Fundamentalist "..hate our freedom and liberty." The problem is our unending devotion to the state of Israel. That is why Muslims dislike America. This can be summarized as "Blowback", a term that was first used by the C.I.A in 1954 -- it was a term used to describe the potential repercussions of Americas foreign policy -- more importantly, of the missions the C.I.A was carrying out overseas.

Saddam possessed absolutely zero Weapons of Mass Destruction... The fact is the only W.M.D's he ever possessed were given to him by America during the Iraq-Iran war. After the Gulf War(another unjust war) Saddam started to destroy every W.M.D in his possession to appease America. He never wanted war with America and quite frankly, he was terrified of it.

If America truly wanted peace with the Islamic fundamentalist, it would stop meddling around in the affairs of the middle east.

It's time we bring our troops home."

Stephen: "saddam needed to go, he was murdering his own people, and the C I A has proof that he hid the weapons in syria,, He was also funding terrorism,, U cant just sit n wait for this to happen again,, Ther is no appeasing these maniacs, we have to kill them,, or they will kill us."

Sin: "You are giving in way too easily to rhetoric, my friend.

Where is the proof Saddam hid weapons in Syria? Why are we not then, invading Syria? Is it because Syria is our supposed ally? The claim that Syria was hiding weapons for Suddam came from Ariel Sharon, the then prime minister of Israel -- perhaps one of the greatest terrorist to ever live. Unfortunately for your arguments sake, there is no factual evidence to support your claim whatsoever.

Whether or not Saddam was killing his own people (which I disagree upon) -- America has no right constitutionally to attack, or invade, his country.

This whole concept of "nation building" was created by Bill Clinton and it is utterly ridiculous and completely un-American. It is not Americas job to police the world.

Saddam did not fund terrorism, period. If anything, he was totally anti-terrorists. Terrorist, or Islamic fundamentalist (according to the government), were punished in Iraq if found. Saddam had absolutely no use for religious fundamentalists, as I've stated previously.

Furthermore, your last statements wreaks of anti-American sentiment. "We have to kill them, or they will kill us." You sound eerily similar to Nazi and/or Stalinist Russia propaganda machines.

The simple fact is, the Islamic middle eastern countries dislike us because our continued support of the state of Israel and our constant meddling around in their affairs (Refer to the Shah in Iran)...

It's simple -- leave them alone, and they will leave us alone.

Ibid, it is not Americas job to police the world."

Stephen: "wrong,,they started the war, 911, we are at war, wether YOU want to be or not, Leave them alone and they will kill us, its that simple, I hope you never lose a loved one in a terror attack"

Sin: "It's unfortunate the government is able to manipulate people with your mind set, Stephen. You think you are being nationalistic and showing American Pride -- but you are being manipulated.

What you're saying is the polar opposite of what America is about. Preemptive strikes are against the constitution.

You are stereotyping a people based on their religion and claiming, "We need to kill them all..." Do you know who else was guilty of this? Adolf Hitler.

I will rephrase your closing statement and present it to you... I hope you never lose a loved one who is in the military fighting an unjustifiable war we will never see victory in -- unlike the families of all those listed here:"

http://antiwar.com/casualties/list.php

Stephen: "wrong again, they- ( the terrorists) will kill us, fight fire with fire,, or they will kill us, They started it,, we will finish it,, end of conversation,, nobody is manipulating me,,"

 Sin: "Yet you refuse you answer even my most basic of questions. It's pointless to continue this conversation with you. Sadly, the simple fact is, you are the cliche that is the Ignorant American -- and unfortunately for this country, you are but one of a multitude."

Carter On Israel

LONDON - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter says Israel has a nuclear arsenal of 150 weapons, The Times of London reported Monday.

While experts have long maintained Israel has a nuclear arsenal, the Jewish state has refused to confirm or deny it.

Most estimates, many based on evidence leaked in 1986 by Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu, put the number of Israeli nuclear weapons at between 100 and 200. But other experts have said the number is as low as 60 or as high as 400.

While this is not news to us at Sins Diatribes, some may find this to be quite interesting. The fact that America will attempt to wage wars on various nations for even attempting to gain possession of Nuclear Technology -- while our so called "ally" continues to stockpile their arsenal, is nothing short of absurd.

The 60th Anniversary Of The Nation Of Israel.

While the Zionist are celebrating the 60 Anniversary of their Nation. We at Sins-Diatribes have decided to spend the time mourning the poor Palestinians who were unjustly expelled from their land, and/or injured or killed during the founding of the State of Israel.


On May 15, Israel will celebrate its 60th anniversary. Palestinians around the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Palestinian Nakba or the “Catastrophe.” Among other things, Al-Nakba marks the forced expulsion and destitution of 750,000 Palestinians from their indigenous homeland and the destruction of 418 villages in 1948. Its aftermath effectively decimated Palestinian identity, culture and life.

While Israelis are exhorted to remember this day and mark the sixth decade of Israel’s creation and independence as a celebratory occasion, Palestinians are encouraged to forget their past and their historic link with their homeland.

We’re instructed to concede to traditional Zionist myths that have depicted the land of Palestine as empty prior to the arrival of Zionist settlers. We’re expected to accept that Israel’s creation did not alter or disrupt the lives of the land’s indigenous Palestinian inhabitants.

Today, we’re reminded Israel is the only country anxious for peace with its Palestinian and Arab neighbors. We’re told the building of the apartheid wall upon Palestinian territories, the repeated military incursions into the West Bank and Gaza, the expansion of illegal settlements in the occupied territories in contravention of international law, the displacement of Palestinians through the confiscation of ID cards and the targeting and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians—including the latest massacre on Gaza, which resulted in the death of at least 106 Palestinian civilians—are all justifiable and “measured” acts. We’re pressured to ignore the current state of colonization and occupation and focus instead on unbalanced attempts at peace and reconciliation that privilege Israeli security over Palestinian sovereignty and human rights, including their UN-sanctioned right of return.

Ironically, in the U.S., it’s no longer possible to celebrate Columbus Day without acknowledging the considerable toll of European settlement. Likewise, 1948 shouldn’t be celebrated as a realization of a dream without recognizing its catastrophic consequences for Palestinians. Yet Israel continually refuses to acknowledge any culpability for Palestinians’ plight.

One can only celebrate the creation of the Israeli state through the deliberate burying of the following historical facts: that the creation of the Israeli state was made possible at the expense of the indigenous population; that its creation was legitimized through racist Zionist narratives that depicted Palestinians in the words of Zionist leader Moshe Smilansky as “semi-savage” and incapable of self-governance; that it actively engages in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine through expulsion, massacre and state terrorism; that Israeli “democracy” privileges its Jewish citizens and actively discriminates against Palestinians; that it has left Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza cut off economically and politically; and finally that Israel continues to employ racist and exclusionary legislative policies that prevent the seven million Palestinians living in the diaspora from returning to their homeland.

Palestinians will mark the 60th anniversary of Israel’s creation by remembering these painful historic facts. They will remember the names of the villages that were destroyed, record the names of those who were killed and lament the loss of their inherent right to a dignified life in their homeland. They will challenge efforts to deny Israeli abuses of Palestinian human rights and oppose attempts to silence Israel’s critics by deliberately conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. They will recognize the contributions and sacrifices of those Palestinians who live under Israeli occupation and languish in refugee camps. They will speak against Israel’s present and continuing crimes in the West Bank and Gaza. When 1.4 million Palestinian women, men and children living in Gaza are deprived of water, electricity and medical care and are subject to brutal military attacks, how can we ignore the pain and suffering the formation of the state of Israel has wrought on Palestinians?

Palestinians everywhere will mark May 15 by celebrating the enduring spirit of Palestinian resistance. They will remember by engaging their communities, by educating others about their plight and by working in solidarity with other marginalized indigenous groups in Canada and elsewhere. They will remember Al Nakba by asserting their right to remember Palestine.

Acts of remembrance involve a conscious effort to resist erasures or commit them.

How will you choose to remember Palestine?

The United States For Israel

Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.

Memorandum of Agreement between the Governments of the United States of America and Israel - Oil, March 26, 1979

The oil supply arrangement of September 1, 1975, between the Governments of the United States and Israel, annexed hereto, remains in effect. A memorandum of agreement shall be agreed upon and concluded to provide an oil supply arrangement for a total of 15 years, including the 5 years provided in the September 1, 1975 arrangement.

The memorandum of agreement, including the commencement of this arrangement and pricing provisions, will be mutually agreed upon by the parties within sixty days following the entry into force of the Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel.

It is the intention of the parties that prices paid by Israel for oil provided by the United States hereunder shall be comparable to world market prices current at the time of transfer, and that in any event the United States will be reimbursed by Israel for the costs incurred by the United States in providing oil to Israel hereunder.

Experts provided for in the September 1, 1975 arrangement will meet on request to discuss matters arising under this relationship.

The United States administration undertakes to seek promptly additional statutory authorization that may be necessary for full implementation of this arrangement.

M. Dayan
For the Government of Israel

Cyrus R. Vance [at the time, Secretary of State]
For the Government of the United States
Annex to the Memorandum of Agreement concerning 0il

ANNEX

Israel will make its own independent arrangements for oil supply to meet its requirements through normal procedures. In the event Israel is unable to secure its needs in this way, the United States Government, upon notification of this fact by the Government of Israel, will act as follows for five years, at the end of which period either side can terminate this arrangement on one-year's notice.

(a) If the oil Israel needs to meet all its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where no quantitative restrictions exist on the ability of the United States to procure oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel to meet all of the aforementioned normal requirements of Israel. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.

(b) If the oil Israel needs to meet all of its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where quantitative restrictions through embargo or otherwise also prevent the United States from procuring oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel in accordance with the International Energy Agency conservation and allocation formula, as applied by the United States Government, in order to meet Israel's essential requirements. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.

Israeli and United States experts will meet annually or more frequently at the request of either party, to review Israel's continuing oil requirement.

Source: Israeli Foreign Ministry

One can't help but wonder how our great country can continually fund the state of Israel(65 Billion$ and counting) while our infrastructure continues to collapse, recession looms, and THEIR war is being fought with our soldiers lives.